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  1. PMG must have placed Radar on the back because your name is on the front, right? Have you found any series of 1882 $5s for 2491?
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    Ch # 6301

    The $5 Plain Back is the 'youngest' note as it doesn't have a regional sort letter and it has two instances of the bank serial number. Use of the treasury serial number was discontinued after August 22, 1925 and geographical sort numbers were discontinued in 1924. The $20 with serial number 451123 is well into the range ordered by The Mellon NB (serial numbers for plain backs of 3X$10-$20 were 249001-696905). The $5 & $10 red seals were printed prior to the 1903 rotary serial number printing machine (the $20 red seal was not). Your notes span > 20 years, so not too surprising that t
  3. ddr70

    Ch # 6301

    The $10 is A2 radar 84348, so A284348. Statistically, I find that too often in the pool of notes that survived, just to annoy me no doubt :-). Is that a K4 Plate on the PB $5? Good to see your posts again!
  4. I liked that note too. It has the misplaced town name going for it as well--Berlin. And it has a vice president's signature. Can't argue the Star either. I have a nice 1902 Date Back from Ch. 4620, SN 676/B464018A pp A/184 in a PMG 30EPQ holder. I liked the short radar bank SN. Their 3rd charter date was Aug. 19, 1911 (vs Aug. 26, 1891 above), so it has Napier | McClung signatures. It's actually fairly common as a 1902 DB. Heritage sold my note as well as part of the Chuck Westfahl Collection. I just made a Wisc.1902 type set <--click to follow link--as I also have a Green Bay $5 1902
  5. Did you ever notice that if you could remove the 5 from the SN, you'd have 439439.
  6. I thought that $20 would end up in your collection and it makes a very nice set, somehow all from the C plates. Did you notice the difference in the fonts on the $20 as compared to the $5 and $10? It has the new numbering font introduced in 1903, as expected given the Treasury Number starting with V. I added a Quarryville, PA $20 Red Seal in PMG 15 to my collection.
  7. ddr70

    Ch #6301

    I never compiled that list of charters that issued notes during the brief period napier | thompson. Personally, I place a premium on the signature combination (as does Friedburg), but I think the population of the bank really drives the prices. Since the Warren NB was a prolific issuer, you can find Ch. 4879 notes at what I consider a bargain. In Kelly's reference he talks about collectors prior to census data collecting by Fr. # and not by town names and bank names. PA was the state with the largest number of charters, so it has a low premium factor. The $10 Plain Back, Warren, PA Ch 487
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    Ch #6301

    I'm not a strong buyer of small size nationals. The Warren NB was a prolific issuer. However, I will go after large size on this charter. I think I may have bid on those notes when they came up at auction. I just have the one small Type 1 $5 that's in my Warren signature set. We should do some trades!
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    Oswego County, NY Nationals

    I just realized that Albion is in Orleans County, in Western NY under Lake Ontario.
  10. PMG provides a fairly good grading guide here: https://www.pmgnotes.com/paper-money-grading/grading-scale/ It leaves a bit to the 'eye of the beholder', especially the VF 25 with an Exceptional Paper Quality. I'd like to have one of those--it would be a really fine very fine find!
  11. Also, there's now a line for replacement notes, 1802-1R which shows 0 in 66 (replacements are scarce and I haven't figured out how to spot them yet). The line for 1802-1 shows 100 in 66 and 12 in 67. You may know this... to receive a grade of 65 or above, the note must have EPQ. When I check the certification I see the info below. Must be a great looking note! Note #: 1802-1Serial #: B009239ACountry: USNote Description: The First NB South Bend Indiana CH#126, $20 1929 Ty. 1 Small SizeSeal Type: Small BrownSignatures/Vignettes: Jones, WoodsGrade: 66 EPQComments: Exceptional Paper Quali
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    A PMG Grading Kanban

    Today my notes moved into Quality Control. I checked on the turn around time for economy and it is 28 working days. With Veterans Day and Thanksgiving Holidays, it's been about 28 working days. And one working day later, notes are in finalized ready to ship. I have the grades. I'm happy as they are pretty much what I expected or better. When I receive my notes, I'll scan and post and provide a link here... for anyone that is interested :-) By the way, did you grade my $20 PB from New Castle, PA (above)? SPOILER ALERT-- It's in a comment-free PMG 25 holder now. I had it as a F-VF a
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    A PMG Grading Kanban

    Luckily for me (a collector), I'm keeping these notes for a long time and I don't need the cash flow from them. So, the wait just builds up my anticipation. I get to compare my grading skills with team PMG's professional grading skills. So all fun for me. I do suggest improvements to PMG, like adding 'research' as a link to the PMG tab (so you could get to verify PMG number) here on collectors society, just like you find on the NGC and CGC tabs. People say the government is slow, but PMG implementing this simple suggestion--slower! The Kanban solution shouldn't be too hard especially if
  14. Just google Don Kelly national bank and you'll get his web site donckelly.com. He was running a special ($81) on the 6th ed. Nat'l Bank Notes plus a Friedberg plus free ship that ends the end of 2018. He shipped mine priority and I had it in just a few days. As I recall, I emailed him using the address on his web site and he called me. I got to chat with him for a bit on the phone about my Salem, OH notes. And I paid over the phone with a card. Not sure when the 7th edition is out or if Don is planning a 7th. The 6th comes with a CD with the Hickman project registry. I like the data on
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    A PMG Grading Kanban

    In Japanese, a Kanban (看板) is a signboard or billboard, but in lean manufacturing a Kanban is a scheduling system. Submissions at PMG start out in a Received Status. Then your notes move into a dreaded state, "scheduled for grading"; a purgatory for notes. You you eagerly await a status of Quality Control--if you're like me, you start checking every day after about 30 days. Where are my notes submitted last October? Purgatory. Quality control means the notes made it to the end of the queue and were graded by PMG. In my experience, notes move fairly quickly to Finalized/Imaged/Shipped an
  16. My point is as a collector's society member, it would be nice if I could get to information I need from the collector's society page. AND like NGC and CGC, provide a common place (i.e. the research link just like those other pages). Why not add that same link on the PMG tab at collector's society JUST LIKE on the NGC and CGC tabs??? thanks!
  17. On NGC (and CGC), there's a research link that takes you to various tools including checking on the authenticity of a NGC certified coin. It's found between About and FAQs and Contact. Could you add such a link on the PMG site to check same? I know it's available here https://www.pmgnotes.com/certlookup/, but I can never find it when I really need it.
  18. ddr70

    Ch #6301

    Your red seals are not replacement notes. The crooked serial number was just interesting. I wonder if the old machinery was more likely to print a crooked SN. Red seals are tricky (as are Brown Backs) as far as replacements. You have to have a serial number that was issued in 1903, or later, after the introduction of the new machinery. The serial numbers on your notes are too low, so were issued in 1902 or early in 1903. They pre-date the introduction of the new machinery. So they correctly show the old font on the numbers and are not replacement notes (more correctly, there's no way to
  19. My Kelly reference says that Charter 2491 did not issue $5 1902 Plain Backs and no 1902 Red Seals or Date Backs. They only issued $50s and $100s using the 2nd title (as shown above). You'll have to go back to Series of 1882 to find a $5 here, but there are Brown Backs, Date Backs, and Value Backs.
  20. Going through my new National Bank Notes 6th Edition by Kelly and here's why we have plain backs with different Fr. numbers (yet same denomination) for some charters. Acts of July 12, 1882 and April 12, 1902 extended charters for existing banks for another 20 years. Salem 43 had to liquidate in 1882 because their charter was about to expire and because congress was a bit late and didn't pass a new act until July. Thus Salem obtained a new charter, 2691, and issued Brown backs, Red Seals and 1902 Date Backs. In September 12, 1910, Salem was able to regain it's old charter number 43 and issu
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    Ch #6301

    Sheik, Nice notes (of course). You have about 50 charters to choose from with Pittsburgh, PA (so far I've only seen 252 and 6301 :-). For Charter 6301, I have a nice Ty 1 $5 in PCGS 63 and then Fines for a 1902 DB and a PB (also $5s and in PCGS holders). That is one of the most crooked treasury serial numbers I've seen on your $10 Red Seal. Did you see PMG's email on replacement notes? In 1903 BEP introduced new machinery to apply the serial numbers more efficiently and the fonts changed compared to the old machinery. The new ones were hard to set up so any replacement notes would use th
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    CH #252

    The Warren National Bank was a prolific issuer for a small Western PA town. My wife has to convince me that I can't own them all. For some reason it took me 7 months to see your notes posted here--quite nice! I'm looking for a Type 2 on Charter 4879. My recent submissions just moved up one notch in the PMG queue for grading. They may be home before the new year (and posted to my signature set on the Warren NB.
  23. Coming soon (sooner than later I hope), additions to the Warren Ch. 4879 set. Several notes were submitted last month (October) in Baltimore. I've been checking about every day to see if they have progressed past 'received'. I'll let you know how my grades stack up against PMG's grades. The Warren notes will end up in my signature set and I'll be able to add an example with RW MacKay as cashier. I have a copy of Kelly's reference on order, so I should know more about these and other bank officer signature possibilities. Charter Details 10506 Lewistown, PA The Russell NB Ch. #
  24. I've learned that the BEP printed the backs in quantity awaiting orders from banks. In this case, Salem ordered sheets of $10 $10 $10 $20 and likely there was a supply of backs probably printed at least 8 notes and maybe 16 notes (so for 16 notes, 4 would be $20s and thus 4 possible back plate (bp) numbers). When printing Salem 43's order which including SN's 5226 and 7, the backs selected happened to have different bp numbers. They could have had the same bp numbers and depending on how sheets were cut and stacked maybe it's more likely they should have had the same bp numbers, but not rea
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    Shipwreck coins!

    These Pilgrims almost look shipwrecked on the back of a $5 National Series of 1902 (plain back in this case)