• Content Count

  • Joined

  • Last visited

  • Days Won


Everything posted by ddr70

  1. County Seat of Perry County. Interesting town. I have an 1882 Date Back and a Ty. 1 $20 in competitive sets.
  2. Total depends on the bank, charter #, denom, like you said. If it is an uncut sheet, please do not cut it up. If you post a pic we could make an attempt at a valuation, but it's hard to grade an AU from a CU without having the note in hand.
  3. appears in an old database from HA along with SN 27522601 through 693, as CUs. Highest graded PMG 66EPQ, SN B2742642 pp B.
  4. Pretty sure The Hanover NB was 1st. I know because of this note in Heritage's archive: $10 Red Seal, F-VF SN 5497/A5497 pp F/2. I know (for sure) it's from a 4x$10 sheet because the font on the serial number is the new font introduced in 1903. If it was from a 3x10-20 sheet it would be the old font for SN A5497. Then since the bank SN 5497 = the treasure SN A5497, its from the first run. I don't think any treasury SN exist without the prefix letter. A prefix ought to be the first run. For 3x10-20 sheets, it wasn't until treasury SN B241777 that the new paging machine was used with the new font sometime in 1903. It would be good to know if the Hanover only had plate letters A-C for their 3x10-20 sheets and D-G for their 4x$10 sheets--I suspect so, but I could be surprised.
  5. The database from Kelly is fairly dated, but is useful for relative rarity (assuming no hoards are found on a given bank (after the Kelly's last update). For example, the Reading NB of Reading Ch 4887 has for Ty. 1: 16-$5s; 32-$10s; 18 $20s; for Ty 2: 15-$5s; 28-$10s; and 7-$20s. It gives grades and serial numbers, including treasury serial numbers for large and plate letter. I occasionally miss the up to date pricing info from T&P. I have a nice $20 large size date back, series 1902 on this bank but it's in a PCGS holder, so not here in my collection.
  6. Seems more engravers did not cross their ts then did. Could be the style taught at that time, I don't know. I got Cs in penmanship. So I was lazy last time and didn't look at Heritage and the answer is there with only 3 $10 red seals on The Hanover NB (including yours) archived. All three are from 4x$10 plates. Here are the SNs plate letters and back plate numbers: F-VF 5497/A5497 pp F/2 PMG 30 SN 18309/A390378 pp G/9 PMG 25 SN 22418/A396987 pp D/1 Since a note from a 4x$10 plate (first use was in 1906) has a bp number 1, they obviously started at 1 despite having used bp 1 on 3x$10-$20 sheets a few years earlier. Face Plates D, E, F, and G were made (only missing an example of the E in the archive) The odd thing is bp 1 showing up on SN 396987! They got a lot of use out of that back plate!! The best note is the one with the bank SN = treasury SN which proves The Hanover was the first bank to order sheets of 4x$10s [I'm surprised Heritage did not note that]. That's quite a large order. 5497 X 4 X $10 = $219,880 (at least). Maybe you could check T&P and see if there are any more $10s there (only T&P doesn't record treasury SNs ). So need another source of data... oh well. I guess I should join in on LK auctions. I never have.
  7. google track and price. I looked and a subscription for nationals is $129. You can get a free trial. I looked at it for large NBNs and didn't buy because it didn't have treasury serial numbers. Do you collect a specific county or region of PA? I have a few smalls scattered from across the Commonwealth.
  8. Oh goodness, not sure that's good with the shill bidding plus notes that aren't quite as expected. I know of some shenanigans with certain ebay sellers. In the past it was much easier to see because you could find out the ebay ID of your competition--it's blocked now. I once did a 'buy it now' only to have the seller return my payment with item 'no longer in stock.' I thought I lost that one. However, I won the exact same note (same PMG holder) a few weeks later on a Heritage auction and paid just a few dollars more than my eBay purchase price. After commission, the seller lost more than I, but Heritage did well. Not shill bidding, but not a good practice to have a note on ebay that's consigned at auction elsewhere. I've actually gotten some good deals from that seller just recently on eBay.
  9. Yes, more! Thank you! I had no idea coin sets to note sets was ~16 : 1. It's about 2:1 for me. I know NGC is giving lots of free grading away for top sets. I'd like some of that from PMG. I'm not sure the folks with the top sets on NGC really need free grading...??? And now I'm wondering how I get a look at Sheik's small size nationals collection? Think about 10 bucks in the '30s. My dad would hitch a goat up to a cart and with a buddy (whose father owned the grocery store) cart sodas and ice cream to road construction workers and sell them for a nickel. Yep, they had a refrigerated goat cart (OK, ice box on cart with goat (une chevre)). They got to eat the ice cream that didn't sell. Hmmm, I never asked him if he got liberty or shield nickels along with buffalo nickels in the Depression. Probably got 5 beat up 'pennies'. So do you focus on Texas or the Southwest for those ty. 1 $10s?? Is there a link to a signature set you could share??? Did you know your Knoxville Ch. 10401 note was a PMG top pop for that Fr. #596? Too bad no extra points for rarity of the bank nor Fr. # for that #1 1902 type set of yours. Over on NGC that would be like a semi-key 1908-S Indian Cent getting the same points as a 1908--coin collectors would scream! [you scream, I scream we all scream for ice cream] I've rambled on enough. Here's my signature set of 1902 Nationals by Fr. #. That's got to be an easy set to add for PMG followed by the series of 1882 and then Originals and then all Large NBNs by Fr. #.
  10. I think there's demand for a lot more. There was on the PCGS registry when it was running. The problem is if you look at the chat boards, what you find is new user questions mostly. If you look at responses to journal entries, well there's little. People are busy and don't take the time to fuss (unlike me). You have to log in a 2d time to comment (or give me a sad face, confused face, haha face, or a trophy-like). Not worth the effort to put something out there. So, if you look at https://www.pmgnotes.com/registry/, the banner says "The Ultimate Destination for Currency Collectors". Not true when PCGS Currency Registry was around--it was better . Truer now that PCGS Currency is no longer (and I'm glad I adopted PMG more so than PCGS, but I have both). Will the ANA have a currency registry like the coin side of the business? Anyhow, the "ultimate destination" would have already built out much more not just for nationals (I dabble in Canadian notes too and Canadian Charter bank notes). More sets or change "ultimate destination" TO "mildly interesting destination" or "kinda boring, but we got no competition for now destination". Oh, I need to mention another PCGS favorite of mine, the back plate number (bp). PCGS recorded it (and occasionally they got it wrong). If you pay $12 to $?? to have your note certified, you'd think the bp number would be noticed and added to the description of the note. It ought to help verify authenticity. PMG records bp #s on mules and the errors involving the bp #, but that's it. Why not record bp #s from now on especially with the new look holders?
  11. The easiest new set to implement has to be Large Size Nationals by Fr. #. This info is already in the PMG database. Sets for Originals, Series of 1875, 1882, and 1902 by Fr. # come to mind. The old PCGS registry had sets for States and State Capital sets, large and small. That's likely harder to implement as I think all that PMG has data-based is the charter number, so a lookup table by charter number likely is required to get to the bank info (i.e. state and city). An A-Z Town name set would be nice. Oh right, a lowball set could be interesting.
  12. That Knoxville, TN $20 note is a radar bank serial number and the charter number 10401 is a radar too! Sheik has a date back on that charter which is a very tough Fr. # (well, it's just the top pop for an Fr. 596). For some reason he won't sell it to me cheap :-)
  13. I know a lot more about Zimbabwe because of your collection--they are beautiful notes. Thanks for the reply!!
  14. OK, I'm bored with 20 odd 'series of 1902 type' sets for my Nationals. I've asked for some more sets, but the response was 'no sets for you...' So, bored as I might be, I created my Series of 1902 Lowball Set. Check it out: See if you can get lower than my score of 1082 for 3 notes, or an average of 360.67 pts/note. You know the sad thing is my Tennessee set beats my Lowball set with 3 notes, 763 pts and an ave. of 254.33 pts/note, but that's because of net grades receiving just half point values. See some awesome TN notes here: Reply with a link to your best of the worst--notes that did their service and then some! And then you had the courage (and spare cash) to sent them to PMG for grading. Please have at least one note preferably with a picture. I'm not sure Net graded notes are fair in Lowball sets?? What do you think? Would you like to see some more competitive sets for Nationals? I know I would!
  15. Imagine grading the Bebee collection down in Sarasota! That would have been fun. I'd be the one stuck grading 10,000 consecutive 2019 $1 notes courtesy signed by Pelosi and Trump... ugh. One question I have (Q1) is if the BP #s for $10 4x$10 sheets started at 1 to n and if the 3x$10-$20 sheets did the same. Thus my check above on the Philly and Marietta bank's choice--both ordered only the 3x$10-$20 format, so no answer there. Then the question (Q2) is how much variation is there on a sheet (limited by the number of sheets to examine). Your New York, NY The Hanover NB $10 RS is interesting since the Hanover issued both formats. I can't quite make out the bp number (why doesn't PMG record BPs?). I think it's a 6 or 9; definitely 1 digit. So, that's likely from 1906 or 1907 as the 4x$10 format was first produced in 1906. So the task is to search archives for other $10 RS from The Hanover and find the same 6 or 9 bp. Based on the treasury SN, you can tell what format the note came from. And we might learn Q1 above. I probably should spend my time looking for engraving errors like the pcblic error on Woodchopper notes :-( That's a tough one to see.
  16. Q2 generally scribbles and numbers receive a comment of 'annotation' from PMG. Generally the value would be less unless it's a courtesy signature from a notable person like a treasury official or celebrity. Q3 sure, a good reference for currency is Friedberg and typically you use the Fr. number when submitting US notes for grading.
  17. Nice looking $1 silver certificate Fr. 232. I think Jennifer has it. Thanks PMG for the nice pics that come along with the PMG verification tool.
  18. I'd say no extra value. You might want to check out http://coolserialnumbers.com/FancySerialNumbers.aspx If the note was crisp unc, I would tend to place a stronger bid on a note with a serial number like yours than one 'less' interesting.
  19. Given my current post and minor obsession on my Arkansas notes and banks that issued sheets of 4x$10s (as opposed to sheets of 3x$10-$20s), I checked on Marietta, OH The Central NB Ch. # 5212 and Philadelphia, PA The Quaker City NB Ch. # 4050 and found both ordered sheets of 3x$10-$20. So I still do not know why the Back Plate numbers differ and I still don't have a scope with a camera.
  20. OK, you wanted the user to click in the blue circled area to get to where you can find populations by block combos. Yep that works. And you found the answer to the question to be what? 3 in 66 and 2 in 67 for an Fr. 1922-I (II Block). Therefore, Paradox tremors was correct.
  21. I found an odd block letter combo on the treasury serial number when compared to the back plate number and Fr. number for my Paris, AR The First NB Ch. # (S)11592 PMG 20 $10 1902 PB Fr. 633 SN 2200/U55355 pp B/96 dated Jan. 20, 1920. That BP # could be a 98, but definitely just two digits. The back plate number and U- Block SN seemed way too low for a Fr. 633 plain back. Of my other Eliott | Burke notes, the lowest BP was 651 with an RE Block combo. So I checked my Kelly reference for Arkansas banks that issued 4x$10 sheets and sure enough, Paris was one of a baker's dozen that shunned the $20 that came with the 3x$10-$20 sheets. The key is that serial numbers for sheets of 4-$10s were run separately from sheets of 3x$10-$20 and apparently sheets of backs were similarly lower in number than their heterogeneous counterparts. With less banks issuing the 4X$10s the Block Letter seems to have advanced much more slowly. Notably, the 10-10-10-10 plate combination was introduced for Brown backs and red Seals in 1906. I guess there was demand from those with a dislike of Hugh McCulloch? To see my competitive set of Arkansas notes (I have three notes on two banks), see: My other note is a Newark, AR The First NB Ch. # (S)9022 PMG 25 $10 1902 DB Fr. 618 SN 1334/N84247 pp H/51 dated Jan. 25, 1908. BP of 51 is rather low for an Fr. 618 and is indicative of the bank choosing the 4x$10 option (See #12 below). To see my Series of 1902 Date Backs and Plain Backs that features block letters and BP numbers, check out my signature set here: You can see the notes in the gallery, but go to set listing to easily see the Block combo vs. BP number. Below are the Arkansas banks that chose sheets of 4x$10; I didn't find any that issued Brown Backs (or series 1882 DB or VB) in this format--not many issued brown backs period. Surprisingly, of those that did issue brown backs, many issued $50s and $100s only. Maxfield 8864 RS DB FNB Clarksville 9633 DB PB FNB Earle 9324 DB American NB of Fort Smith 3634 RS DB PB City NB of Fort Smith 10609 DB PB City NB of Greenwood 10983 PB of 1st AND 2d title Hope NB 8594 RS DB PB City NB of Hope 10579 DB PB FNB Lake Village 11262 PB FNB Marshall 10794 PB FNB Morrilton 10434 DB PB FNB Newark 9022 RS DB PB FNB Paris 11592 PB *RS=Red Seal, DB=Date Back, PB = Plain Back all series 1902 **Don't worry, I'm not doing this for the rest of the states. Hey PMG, please start tracking and annotating black plates! Just my
  22. No No, Matt did it wrong. To get the population for a given block combo, you have to do what I said. Matt has circled the population for ALL block combos for that Fr. #. Matt may not know about block combos as a CCG rep...???
  23. ddr70

    A Keene National

    Stacks has posted on eBay (~11 Apr 2020) the Keene, NH The Citizens NB Ch. # 2299 PMG 25 Net, $10 1875 Fr. 416 Allison | New from the sheet prior to my note, so SN 2689/K296098 pp A PMG 2508047-011 in a PMG 20 with comment minor repairs. If you had to own a sequential pair of plate A $10 1875 Fr. 416 from The Citizens NB of Keene, NH, I would let you buy mine (I'd like to buy the note from Stacks myself, but the cash dump truck keeps missing my house Just how many sequential SN notes are there on series 1875 $10 nationals? That would be Keene to own!
  24. Ok, thanks Ali. Anything the senior team comes up with for Nationals would be appreciated; I've seen no additions in years.