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  1. Nice website indeed! I like the binary $5s in Gallery 4 the most! Also, sounds like a great show... maybe I'll go next year. Seemed to be strong bids on most currency lots in Heritage's auctions.
  2. Use of the geographical (regional) sort letter stopped in 1924, so the (E)252 note is older. You can also tell it's older because of the treasury SN (ED block in current terminology is well before NH) and bank SN is smaller. Also, the plate letters (F is earlier than HH). The newer note with the HH plate had the signatures engraved on the plates. The older note was likely sent out to a printer to have the signatures added and potentially the quality on the Cashier's signature suffered or that's the signature that was provided by CC Taylor. Interesting difference in Taylor's signature! As nice as it is in later years I suspect the printer didn't do a good job, just a good enough job. Sand's initial (E) is quite different too. As for the VP notes, some had the information in the description of the notes and some I just noticed browsing notes. HA just sold a $5 BB on a New York, NY The NB of Commerce in NY, Ch. 733, with J. Pierpont Morgan's signature as VP. I think that's a tough signature to come by. I don't know of a database of VP signatures. To my knowledge, they were not recorded in the annual comptroller of the treasury reports (just cashier and President). I also like the RADART SN N702073H... I see that more often than a Radar SN. It has one extra digit--a 3--too many. The other note is a RADRA SN 87687. I should start another signature set on these...
  3. Series 1882 notes use Prest. with the t superscripted. I'm inspired to make a Nationals signature set with Vice Prez signed notes. OK, here it is: https://notes.www.collectors-society.com/registry/notes/ViewPersonalCollection.aspx?UserCollectionID=1440 From the National Bank Act (ch. 58, 12 Stat. 665; February 25, 1863), originally known as the National Currency Act Section 11. The association (the national bank really) were "to choose one of their number as president of such association and to appoint a cashier and such other officers and agents as their business may require; and to remove such president, cashier officers and agents at pleasure, and appoint others in their place;" Section 18 stipulates that the notes have written or engraved signatures of the treasurer and register "and shall also express upon their face the promise of the association receiving the same, to pay on demand, attested by the signatures of the president, or vice-president, and cashier;" So here we find the vice-president may sign, but I don't see an Assistant Cashier, although I haven't followed the statute forward to see if it was modified to allow for an assistant cashier's signature. Then again, the officers were chosen and replaced by the 'association', so who would know who the cashier was at any given instance. My favorite note in the signature set above is the SN1 $5 red seal from Catawissa, PA with signatures of the Assistant Cashier and Vice President.
  4. Excellent tip--I'll have to check out SPMC's site for bank officers. You learn something everyday. I also thought Jas. was for Jason, but looks like it's used for James. As far as a V in front of president, they typically were just penned in as a "v" or "vice" as I have several such examples. Recall my Fostoria, OH note from a previous journal entry (your finds at a local coin shop) where that bank had a stamp made for their VP to routinely use when signing notes. I find this all very interesting, but, no doubt, much more remains to be learned about Sands-if, indeed, anyone ever recorded details of his personal life. If time permits this would make an interesting story in Paper Money, the journal of the Society of Paper Money Collectors.
  5. The N Exchange B of Wheeling, WV Charter 5164, Kelly shows they Chartered 12/29/1898 while their 2d charter notes display 12/16/1898. Officers according to Kelly were: Year President Cashier 1900 JN Vance Lawrence E Sands 1910 JN Vance CW Jeffers 1915 John L Dickey CW Jeffers 1929 JR Naylor CW Jeffers 1931 JR Naylor LJ Yaeger Kelly does not list Vice Presidents or Assistant Cashiers. Also, the Kelly database doesn't have bank officers on Pittsburgh banks. The database covers Ohio well and since Wheeling sticks up between Ohio and PA and was a key site for crossing the Ohio River, maybe that's why it made the database of bank officers. Both Wheeling brown backs depicted are from after 1903 (based on the serial number font) and before 1908. The series 1882 date back is after 1908 and before 1915. Ch. 5164 also issued value backs (after 1915 of course), but of the two in Heritage's archives, both had president Dickey's signature.. The Second NB of Pittsburgh was organized 2/13/1864 and began using the 2d title (First Second NB) 4/21/1913 and 3d title (FNB at Pittsburgh) 1/18/1918. Sands signed as president on First Second NB series 1902 Date Backs. I couldn't find his signature on Second NB Red seals or the one series 1902 Date Back in Heritage's archives. So it would seem Sands was Cashier and later Vice President in Wheeling from about 1898 to at least 1908 and then President of Pittsburgh Ch. 252 from sometime after 1913 through at least 1925 (Aug. 22, 1925, the Treasury number was replaced by a second instance of the issuing bank’s serial number and Sands appears as President on such a note with SN A72199 (so that's 1 million plus another 72,199 notes) and is eventually replaced I'd guess very near 1928 or 9, but before small size nationals appear). That's at least 30 years in banking!
  6. Looks like L.S. was just the vice president in Wheeling. Is that a date back or value back? If a value back it's 1915 or later. Also if a value back it has the old backing info 'bonds or other securities' (which is quite common). But this can help pin down the years served as VP. I'm not sure how to use the treasury SN to find when the note was printed. If you get PMG to grade, consider the variety option where you can have the names of the bank officers added to the back of the holder. PMG told me they would do this, but you may want to confirm with a call. Something like penned signatures of Cashier X and Vice President Y. I'll check my Kelly database to see if officers of the N Exchange B of Wheeling were recorded. If you have Kelly database, you can search by officer name or by city... If not, I'll let you know next week :-) Neat find!
  7. Happy New Years! See my New Castle, PA The Union NB Ch. # (E)8503 PMG25 $20 1902 PB Fr. 652 which renewed its charter on Dec. 31, 1906. An extremely scarce bank in both large and small size, with just nine large and four small examples reported to date. County seat of Lawrence County, 50 miles northwest of Pittsburgh and near the PA–Ohio border just 18 miles (29 km) east of Youngstown, Ohio. Check it out here with PMG's note verification (which includes a very nice picture) https://www.pmgnotes.com/certlookup/8055906-007/25/ OR you can also find it in slot #15 in my signature set of "Two State nationals and misplaced towns"
  8. ddr70

    Ch # 6301

    But you're missing the 1902 date backs. The challenge will be to get date backs with Cashier B.W. Lewis who replaced Mitchell shortly (not sure how shortly) before 1915 and roll out of Plain Backs. For $10/$20 Date Backs, this would be after SN 241142/K878028B (A NICE RADAR NOTE that Mitchell signed). I found Lewis signed SN 248800/M48236B. Better yet, you need both Mitchel AND Lewis on the DBs! It appears the Mellon got into issuing $50 and $100's moreso at the end of the Date Back period, so you would prefer having the Mitchell signed high denoms. :-)
  9. That would be a nice present to find under ones tree. I'll switch to small size back on holiday theme.
  10. It's either Speelman | White signatures or if just Nationals, these are so called "4th Charter" notes as the 20 years since their 3rd charter expired (in 1922) resulted in new plates with the Speelman | White signatures. Congress stipulated that extended banks must issue 'distinctly different' notes. Use of the current Treasury combo of Speelman and White was sufficiently 'distinctly different' (Congress didn't define distinctly different, so any difference ought to have sufficed)). They also got to restart the serial numbers back to 1! A few months later, the Act of July 1, 1922 extended lifetimes of all national banks for 99 years, thereby ending the need for a new series and creation of these "4th charter notes" ended to the chagrin (and joy) of this collector. Or are you going for a 1-99 charter set? Or perhaps 1-99 fourth charters? I've got #11 :-)
  11. Tis the season to share a national. My first thought was to post a pic on one with a 25 December charter date, but alas, I don't have one. So let me know if this one makes for a good seasonal journal entry. I think it might even with a December 10, 1908 charter. And feel free to add on. Happy Holidays!
  12. ddr70

    A Keene National

    And from StacksBowers Baltimore auction, I picked up another note. This one is a Keene, NH The Cheshire NB Ch. # (N)559 $5 Date Back Fr. 590 in PMG30.
  13. Alain, the 1500 should not affect the grade much, but will very likely get an "annotation" comment on the back. It would be great to see a picture of the note.
  14. Looks like a partial back to front offset. You can check heritage currency auctions; you'll need a free account. Search error notes "partial offset $1". Price will depend on the grade of the note and the darkness and size of the offset.
  15. ddr70

    Found at Coin Shop

    Wow, a hundred consecutive stars! There are some nice Dallas Fed Reserve Bank Notes collections competing and all denoms have Cashier (not blacked out) and Governor (with President blacked out). I guess Dallas ran their operation differently. By the way, I like the collage of different shifts of the overprinted bar showing the underlying engraving (of Cashier and President). I'm sure you're right about one generic front for both small size nationals and Fed Reserve Bank Notes--just needed to overprint correct titles of the signatories (and black out the extraneous titles found on small size nationals. So, now I have to change subject to nationals of course... Here's a Large size 1902 PB from the First NB of Fostoria, OH, Ch. #2831. It's rather scarce. Kelley's census includes bank officers for some banks with Ohio covered fairly well. Fostoria long time President (1883-1935) would have been Andrew Emerine except the VP signed. Cashier is R.S. Powley. The VP signing was common enough that the FNB stamped Vice Prest. above the blacked out Prest. Unfortunately, I can't make out the signature on my well used example. Two better examples of 1902 PBs are in Heritage's archives, but are signed by Prest. Emerine. Other notes I've seen will have a v or vice penned in front of Prest. This is the first instance I've found of a stamp applied locally by the bank similar to what was done on Fed Reserve Bank notes blotting out the incorrect title. This note (SN 11217 pp G) is in Kelley's census, so I guess I'm not the only one unable to decipher that signature.