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  1. ddr70

    Ch #6301

    I'm not a strong buyer of small size nationals. The Warren NB was a prolific issuer. However, I will go after large size on this charter. I think I may have bid on those notes when they came up at auction. I just have the one small Type 1 $5 that's in my Warren signature set. We should do some trades!
  2. ddr70

    Oswego County, NY Nationals

    I just realized that Albion is in Orleans County, in Western NY under Lake Ontario.
  3. PMG provides a fairly good grading guide here: https://www.pmgnotes.com/paper-money-grading/grading-scale/ It leaves a bit to the 'eye of the beholder', especially the VF 25 with an Exceptional Paper Quality. I'd like to have one of those--it would be a really fine very fine find!
  4. Also, there's now a line for replacement notes, 1802-1R which shows 0 in 66 (replacements are scarce and I haven't figured out how to spot them yet). The line for 1802-1 shows 100 in 66 and 12 in 67. You may know this... to receive a grade of 65 or above, the note must have EPQ. When I check the certification I see the info below. Must be a great looking note! Note #: 1802-1Serial #: B009239ACountry: USNote Description: The First NB South Bend Indiana CH#126, $20 1929 Ty. 1 Small SizeSeal Type: Small BrownSignatures/Vignettes: Jones, WoodsGrade: 66 EPQComments: Exceptional Paper Quality
  5. ddr70

    A PMG Grading Kanban

    Today my notes moved into Quality Control. I checked on the turn around time for economy and it is 28 working days. With Veterans Day and Thanksgiving Holidays, it's been about 28 working days. And one working day later, notes are in finalized ready to ship. I have the grades. I'm happy as they are pretty much what I expected or better. When I receive my notes, I'll scan and post and provide a link here... for anyone that is interested :-) By the way, did you grade my $20 PB from New Castle, PA (above)? SPOILER ALERT-- It's in a comment-free PMG 25 holder now. I had it as a F-VF as the back was better looking. I'm quite happy with a Very Fine 25 for this scarce, Western PA note. On the 24th, my notes arrived. I've updated two sets with a few of the notes including the New Castle $20. Several of the large notes can be found here: https://notes.www.collectors-society.com/registry/notes/MySets_Listing.aspx?PeopleSetID=20872&SelectedTab=SetListing and my Warren NB notes are mostly all here: https://notes.www.collectors-society.com/registry/notes/ViewPersonalCollection.aspx?UserCollectionID=1184&Tab=list My PA small size nationals mostly ended up here: https://notes.www.collectors-society.com/registry/notes/MySets_Listing.aspx?PeopleSetID=20873&SelectedTab=SetListing
  6. ddr70

    A PMG Grading Kanban

    Luckily for me (a collector), I'm keeping these notes for a long time and I don't need the cash flow from them. So, the wait just builds up my anticipation. I get to compare my grading skills with team PMG's professional grading skills. So all fun for me. I do suggest improvements to PMG, like adding 'research' as a link to the PMG tab (so you could get to verify PMG number) here on collectors society, just like you find on the NGC and CGC tabs. People say the government is slow, but PMG implementing this simple suggestion--slower! The Kanban solution shouldn't be too hard especially if PMG already records the date/time a submission is received into a database, and again when processed into the 'scheduled for grading' stage and then date/time the submission enters QC. Maybe weekly, update the average times for various tiers. I haven't submitted notes to PCGS although I do have a set or two in their note registry. PCGS has sooooo many more categories for folks who collect nationals than PMG. I've started a few as signature sets here at PMG and created one--the rainbow set (see https://notes.www.collectors-society.com/registry/notes/ViewPersonalCollection.aspx?UserCollectionID=1191&Tab=list) which unlike nicely toned coins means town or bank names with a color reference (i.e. Orange, CA, Brownsville, TX or The Blackstone NB of Uxbridge, MA (Charter 1022 is one of my favorite notes)). Also I started a First through Tenth NB signature set here: https://notes.www.collectors-society.com/registry/notes/ViewPersonalCollection.aspx?UserCollectionID=1229&Tab=list I'm happy to hear that PMG compares favorably to PCGS's grading times. I meant to ask if anyone has a note dated Dec. 25 on a National? Post it please... it will go nicely with my New Year's Eve note. Kelly shows one from Christmas as I recall in the 6th ed. of Nat'l Bank Notes, it's from The Citizens NB of Ripley, OH.
  7. ddr70

    Collage from Los Angeles Ch # 2491

    Just google Don Kelly national bank and you'll get his web site donckelly.com. He was running a special ($81) on the 6th ed. Nat'l Bank Notes plus a Friedberg plus free ship that ends the end of 2018. He shipped mine priority and I had it in just a few days. As I recall, I emailed him using the address on his web site and he called me. I got to chat with him for a bit on the phone about my Salem, OH notes. And I paid over the phone with a card. Not sure when the 7th edition is out or if Don is planning a 7th. The 6th comes with a CD with the Hickman project registry. I like the data on bank officers, although its not complete. Sorry I didn't respond earlier as I didn't see a new post here. So, you know I like that note a lot--you going to send it in to get your name and the radar noted on the holder?? I checked the auction site and I was 3rd high bidder :-(
  8. ddr70

    A PMG Grading Kanban

    In Japanese, a Kanban (看板) is a signboard or billboard, but in lean manufacturing a Kanban is a scheduling system. Submissions at PMG start out in a Received Status. Then your notes move into a dreaded state, "scheduled for grading"; a purgatory for notes. You you eagerly await a status of Quality Control--if you're like me, you start checking every day after about 30 days. Where are my notes submitted last October? Purgatory. Quality control means the notes made it to the end of the queue and were graded by PMG. In my experience, notes move fairly quickly to Finalized/Imaged/Shipped and you can actually see your grades posted. So what's the point of a Kanban? On the production floor workers and managers can see how progress is going. And if a customer shows up on the production line, they have an idea of when they might receive product. At a show, a customer submitting notes has an idea when the notes will return graded. I think we need a Kanban for grading! The metric could be by tier (economy is my tier), 'how long (on average of course) is it taking from Scheduled for Grading to Quality Control.' Then, let me get a bit crazy here, send me an email (or let me subscribe to receive an email) so I know when the note emerges from scheduled for grading. (Note: I did receive an email when I was charged back in October which is good to know.) If there was a Kanban, I'd have an idea whether or not I might see my notes before the new year. Speaking of the new year, here's what the Union NB of New Castle, PA was doing in 1906--getting it's charter from the Registry of the Treasury. You can just make out the date above the president's signature (Dec. 31, 1906). My $20 is currently in purgatory and not in my Large Type Nationals series 1902 set :-(. You can see all the sets competing in Lg Type Nat'ls of 1902 here: https://notes.www.collectors-society.com/registry/notes/public_sets.aspx?CategoryID=950&SetTypeID=3316 (my PA notes are #7)... Happy holidays :-)!
  9. ddr70

    Is my PMG graded note authentic?

    My point is as a collector's society member, it would be nice if I could get to information I need from the collector's society page. AND like NGC and CGC, provide a common place (i.e. the research link just like those other pages). Why not add that same link on the PMG tab at collector's society JUST LIKE on the NGC and CGC tabs??? thanks!
  10. On NGC (and CGC), there's a research link that takes you to various tools including checking on the authenticity of a NGC certified coin. It's found between About and FAQs and Contact. Could you add such a link on the PMG site to check same? I know it's available here https://www.pmgnotes.com/certlookup/, but I can never find it when I really need it.
  11. ddr70

    Ch #6301

    Your red seals are not replacement notes. The crooked serial number was just interesting. I wonder if the old machinery was more likely to print a crooked SN. Red seals are tricky (as are Brown Backs) as far as replacements. You have to have a serial number that was issued in 1903, or later, after the introduction of the new machinery. The serial numbers on your notes are too low, so were issued in 1902 or early in 1903. They pre-date the introduction of the new machinery. So they correctly show the old font on the numbers and are not replacement notes (more correctly, there's no way to tell if they were replaced). You can find replacement notes on red seals, most commonly on SN 1s. On $5s look for Treasury SNs greater than or equal to A530328. On $10, it's a bit trickier. If the note was from a bank that ordered sheets as $10 $10 $10 $20, then the SN must be greater than or equal to B241777. If the bank ordered sheets of $10 $10 $10 $10 only, then all serial numbers are in play to check--if it has the old font, it's a replacement. I would also assume the serial number on those 10s would be >B241777 as well. The Mellon NB ordered sheets as $10 $10 $10 $20 for red seals. For 50s and 100s, the SN has to be greater than or equal to A92661 and the Mellon NB issued those as well. I made up a jpeg with all the info I need to quickly refer to when scanning auctions for replacement notes. So far, no success :-( They aren't very common. Happy to share it with you--send me an email. So, Ch. 2941 is the First NB of Pierre, SD--that's another of your favorites?? My only note from SD is from Mitchell as a plain back. By the way, I use ddr for double die reverse and 70 because of a perfect grade and my favorite date, 1870.
  12. ddr70

    Collage from Los Angeles Ch # 2491

    My Kelly reference says that Charter 2491 did not issue $5 1902 Plain Backs and no 1902 Red Seals or Date Backs. They only issued $50s and $100s using the 2nd title (as shown above). You'll have to go back to Series of 1882 to find a $5 here, but there are Brown Backs, Date Backs, and Value Backs.
  13. ddr70

    Salem, OH Charter 43 sequential serial numbers

    Going through my new National Bank Notes 6th Edition by Kelly and here's why we have plain backs with different Fr. numbers (yet same denomination) for some charters. Acts of July 12, 1882 and April 12, 1902 extended charters for existing banks for another 20 years. Salem 43 had to liquidate in 1882 because their charter was about to expire and because congress was a bit late and didn't pass a new act until July. Thus Salem obtained a new charter, 2691, and issued Brown backs, Red Seals and 1902 Date Backs. In September 12, 1910, Salem was able to regain it's old charter number 43 and issued 1902 Date Backs dated 11 Apr. 1902--this date represents the last 20 year extension of this bank's charter. One stipulation of the Acts was that extended banks must issue 'distinctly different' notes. So 10 Apr. 1922 comes and Salem extends its charter. New plates with this date, 10 Apr. 1922, were created along with the current Treasury combo of Speelman and White (that was sufficiently 'distinctly different' (Congress didn't define distinctly different, so any difference ought to have sufficed)). They also got to restart the serial numbers back to 1 and went on to issue 12,365 sheets! So, it's possible that SN 5226 and 5227 also exist as $20 Plain Backs and Fr. 635!! The Act of July 1, 1922 extended lifetimes of all national banks for 99 years, thereby ending the need for new series to the chagrin of this collector.
  14. ddr70

    Ch #6301

    Sheik, Nice notes (of course). You have about 50 charters to choose from with Pittsburgh, PA (so far I've only seen 252 and 6301 :-). For Charter 6301, I have a nice Ty 1 $5 in PCGS 63 and then Fines for a 1902 DB and a PB (also $5s and in PCGS holders). That is one of the most crooked treasury serial numbers I've seen on your $10 Red Seal. Did you see PMG's email on replacement notes? In 1903 BEP introduced new machinery to apply the serial numbers more efficiently and the fonts changed compared to the old machinery. The new ones were hard to set up so any replacement notes would use the old machinery (I'm not describing it nearly as well as you might find over on SPMC's web site). Both red seals shown have the old style fonts which are correct based on their relatively low serial numbers. But you can tell based on the serial number and the font that these were produced prior to the changeover in 1903. Compare the 2 on the $10 Red Seal with the 2 on your Plain Back. So that's really an old crooked treasury serial number. Charter 6301 is fun because you get an autograph from a Mellon; maybe not Carnegie, but still a Mellon.
  15. ddr70

    CH #252

    The Warren National Bank was a prolific issuer for a small Western PA town. My wife has to convince me that I can't own them all. For some reason it took me 7 months to see your notes posted here--quite nice! I'm looking for a Type 2 on Charter 4879. My recent submissions just moved up one notch in the PMG queue for grading. They may be home before the new year (and posted to my signature set on the Warren NB.