Sheik Sheck

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  1. April 31, 1966. I can safely say that no one has that birthday.
  2. That is a fantastic set! Thanks for posting the link. I enjoy looking at other collectors nationals. Did you acquire just by visual inspection of the notes to see the 'v.' or 'vice'? Did you do prior research using a database? I would be curious how you were able to spot the notes. Also, I noticed you have a couple of serial number 1 notes. Very nice Catawissa note. I saw a few SN #1's at FUN but didn't pull the trigger. On another note, I noticed that Ch #252 had only C.C. Taylor as the cashier, also with a prominent signature but there was a series of notes that his signature was clearly not the same as other stamped or engraved versions. The attached file shows the commonly seen C.C. on the bottom photo and the mystery C.C. on the note with the regional 'E'. Another mystery!
  3. I knew Jas. was short for James (although it never made sense to me) however I didn't realize that I should be using Prest. instead of Prez Since we now know of two banks that altered the Prest. signature line to Vice Prest. or VP, perhaps this was more widely applied than we may be aware. Which makes me wonder if there was any specific guidance from the Fed or banks were at liberty to substitute the VP for the Prest. I plan on looking into Mr. Sands a little deeper since I have so many notes with his illustrious signature!
  4. Thanks ddr70. Lawrence must have been a dedicated banker. I don't have the Wheeling note so I wonder how the "v" for vice was printed. I got the below table from the Society of Paper Money Collectors web site for Ch 5164 and below that is for Ch 252. The first table shows L.E. Sands was cashier in '05 then no record from '06 - '12 and then President in '13 - '14, then President of Ch 252 from 1914-1927. Was he V.P. in those 6 years and signing on behalf of Vance? Any other examples of bank executives moving to another with signatures on multiple banks? Or perhaps starting as a cashier and promoted to President then moving to another bank? I imagine this is a fairly rare occurrence. Interesting history. Years Cashier President 1899-1904 Lawrence E. Sands J. N. Vance 1905-1905 L. E. Sands J. N. Vance 1906-1912 C. W. Jeffers J. N. Vance 1913-1914 C. W. Jeffers Lawrence E. Sands 1915-1921 C. W. Jeffers John L. Dickey 1922-1928 C. W. Jeffers J. L. Dickey 1929-1929 C. W. Jeffers J. R. Naylor 1930-1930 L. J. Yargar J. R. Naylor 1931-1935 L. J. Yaegar J. R. Naylor Bank Officer Pairs (Pollock) Years Cashier President 1864-1864 John E. Patterson George E. Warner 1864-1864 John E. Patterson Griswold E. Warner 1865-1866 Charles H. Riggs Griswold E. Warner 1867-1867 Robert J. Stoney G. E. Warner 1868-1868 Rob't J. Stoney G. E. Warner 1869-1869 Robert J. Stoney G. E. Warner 1870-1870 Robt. J. Stoney G. E. Warner 1871-1871 Robt. J. Stoney George S. Head 1872-1872 Robt. J. Stoney Geo. S. Head 1873-1874 Jas. H. Willock Geo. S. Head 1875-1875 J. H. Willock Geo. S. Head 1876-1877 Jas. H. Willock Geo. S. Head 1878-1881 James H. Willock George S. Head 1882-1886 James H. Willock William Cooper 1887-1887 Thomas W. Welsh, Jr. James H. Willock 1888-1888 Thomas W. Welsh, Jr. Jas. H. Willock 1889-1891 Thomas W. Welsh, Jr. James H. Willock 1892-1892 T. W. Welsh, Jr. James H. Willock 1893-1895 T. W. Welsh, Jr. J. H. Willock 1896-1896 T. W. Welsh, Jr. James H. Willock 1897-1897 T. W. Welsh, Jr. Jas. H. Willock 1898-1898 T. W. Welsh, Jr. James H. Willock 1899-1899 Thomas W. Welsh, Jr. James H. Willock 1900-1903 T. W. Welsh, Jr. Jas. H. Willock 1904-1904 Thomas W. Welsh, Jr. James H. Willock 1905-1905 James M. Young James H. Willock 1906-1908 J. M. Young H. C. Bughman 1909-1909 Jas. M. Young H. C. Bughman 1910-1911 J. M. Young H. C. Bughman 1912-1912 J. M. Young W. S. Kuhn 1914-1914 F. F. Brooks Lawrence E. Sands 1915-1915 Frank F. Brooks Lawrence E. Sands 1916-1917 F. F. Brooks Lawrence E. Sands 1918-1921 C. C. Taylor Lawrence E. Sands 1922-1927 C. C. Taylor L. E. Sands 1928-1932 C. C. Taylor F. F. Brooks 1933-1935 J. H. Arthur F. F. Brooks
  5. Upon further review of Wheeling notes in Heritage, he is also on an uncut sheet of BB's as the cashier!
  6. That is correct apparently. The Brown Back is from Heritage Archives that also has Lawrence Sander's signature. As with the date back, someone sketched in a "v" indicating he was the Vice President. But he was VP on the brown back and date back. I don't have the Kelley reference but I am curious over what time span he was VP to be able to be on a BB and DB. Also are sigs. from his Presidency at Pittsburgh's FNB.
  7. Happy New Year! I stumbled upon Lawrence and his exquisite signature he was not only representing the bank I collect (Ch#252), but also apparently lived in the neighboring state. I assume bank presidents were equally mobile in the early 20th century, looking for the best job. Looks like he lived in both Pennsylvania and West Virginia.
  8. Sheik Sheck

    Ch # 6301

    Sorry, I re-read your April post and you already answered that. I am keeping an eye out for the high denom's. I passed on a $50 Ch 6301 a short time ago. It was cheap but had a few issues. I am not crazy about rust and paper clip marks. I also get the feeling that folks like to hang on to those high denoms as they rarely seem to come up for sale. I noticed the $100 Minnesota red seal is estimated to go for 40K plus at the FUN auction coming up. Out of my area code!
  9. Sheik Sheck

    Ch # 6301

    I have not researched the population for the date backs but since I rarely see any come across at auction, I assume that is going to take another decade or so. I was just trying to get the $5, $10 and $20 denominations in decent condition for the red and blue seals and the Mellon Bros' signatures for this mini-collection. I am not even sure why the $5 blue does not have the 'E' designation as it is also a Lyons_Roberts combo with the same date, June 3, 1902, as the $10 and $20? I have a feeling you will educate me on this fine point. Thanks!
  10. After a cursory population study in T&P I found with the exception of CH#9, it is possible to put together a single digit charter collection. Most of the 1-9 charters are fairly common although Ch #6 (Syracuse) has only 23 large notes extant (I have been waiting to use that word "extant" for a while). However, there are no reported notes, neither large or small, for the FNB of Dayton (Ch#9). On another note, here is one picked up from Lyn Knight ungraded, after coming back from the grade man.
  11. Nor I but I thought that I would post my next mission statement. I think you must know where I am going with this....Merry X-Mas!!!
  12. Sheik Sheck

    Ch # 6301

    Took almost 8 months but I finally found the missing piece for $180 in Lyn Knight's recent auction.
  13. Here is the table showing the populations of the two different signature pairs...
  14. Hey ddr70, I was checking out your nice Large Nationals and noticed your Newton, Mass note. It has the rare Woods-Tate signature combo. Attached is New York Dunbar of the same ilk. You ay be aware but Peter Huntoon wrote a nice article in the April 2019 Bank Note Reporter about the rarity of the combo. Attached is also a .jpg of the article and the banks that issued such notes.