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I said you talk (type) too much. Homeboy you never SHUT UP!

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Fenntucky Mike

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I've been toying with some of the note descriptions for my Ukrainian registry sets and I'm having trouble staying under the 5,000 word limit. My friends and family would be somewhat surprised by this revelation, as they often have difficulty extracting a coherent sentence out of me at times. I tend to be more of an observer/listener rather than an active participant in conversations, pouncing in with wise cracking comments and/or definitive statements, after which (if my commentary had the desired affect) I'll take my cue and leave on a "high note". Anyway back to the problem at hand, in my descriptions I have a basic template that I then fill in with information and descriptions, normally at least on the coin (NGC) side I almost never run over the word limit, I think I ran over maybe once, but over here (PMG) I'm finding myself running over more often than not. So instead of tapering down the descriptions I decided to make a Signature Set where I can run wild, free of all word restrictions. In the main registry set I put the basic statistics of the note along with a notation directing the reader, if they are so inclined, to visit the Signature Set for more information. Simple enough, right? Well, I wasn't a fan of dumping all those descriptions in the Slot Comment box as it didn't seem conducive to reading and made the set look "clunky", so in the Slot Comment I put another notation to click on the photo icon to read the description, now that looks better. Another reason for moving the description off of the Set Registry is that I like to add the exact text (Crylic) on the notes to the descriptions and when entering this into the registry descriptions and saving ????????'s would be displayed instead of the Crylic text, not the case in the signature set.

I treat all of my descriptions as living documents so I'll go in and add comments, thoughts or observations as I learn them or as more updated information surfaces or if I'm wrong and need to make corrections. Now with presumably unlimited space for descriptions I can continue with my extended entries unfettered. For example, I can just copy and paste all the security feature information from the NBU into the description and go into minutia with some of the details of the notes. Also, I will be able to go back at a later date and add historical details about the notes and the state of Ukraine at the time of release, what prompted the issues, etc. giving the notes context. These were details that I was originally going to hold back so as to fit within the confinement of the 5,000 word limit. I have close to a dozen descriptions rolling right now in the registry and signature sets, which I'll go back and continue to refine. I have another 4 or 5 notes that I want to plug in right now and then I'll take a minute to think about how they read and flow, then go back and tweak before adding more descriptions. Overall I think it is a good solution, treat the registry set descriptions like the back of a baseball card and put the bulk of the detailed info in the signature set. Finally, as I'm looking at this journal, I can see it's starting to run away from me and for now I think I just need to SHUT UP!

Side note, Why does Jam Master Jay have tinfoil covered crutches in this music video and is that a real or fake coin about 1:50 in? I'm thinking fake, just a prop.

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Is the length really unlimited on  the signature set side? I thought the 5000 character limit was set throughout.

I tend to have the same thing in the competitive set and the signature set and treat the competitive sets as subsets of the signature set, which is what I see as the "true" set / project as I define it. Your name for the set, "The REAL DEAL," suggests that you see yours similarly.

It's interesting in that you go into a lot of the finer details and security features with your descriptions. Doing that, I could easily see you getting up against the 5K limit. I don't go into that level of detail usually and stick with the broader design details of the note usually because 1) I assume it will be harder to get someone who is only casually interested in the series to read that much, 2) I don't like struggling with the character limit, and 3) with a lot of the finer, smaller details I feel like it can be hard to even see some of those things in the images we can put on the registry. This is also one of the reasons I don't discuss the watermarks and the changes in the watermarks on the Zimbabwe notes much because you can't really see the watermarks in the non-backlit images I have up. Since the thing that really draws me in with the Zimbabwe notes is the hyperinflation and the "story" of it / the history, If I go on at length it's more likely to be about the historical context / what was happening at the time that note was issued and what caused the hyperinflation - especially with the 1st dollar series.

So are you only adding notes to your signature set as you get descriptions ready? Because you have 140 slots, but hardly any notes in it (11) when I know you have like 50-60 Ukrainian notes in your competitive sets.

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On 8/9/2020 at 12:03 PM, Revenant said:

Is the length really unlimited on  the signature set side? I thought the 5000 character limit was set throughout.

While I haven't done a word count of my descriptions, I tried inserting them into the Note Description box in my Registry Set and received a notification that the description exceeded the 5,000 word limit. I then put the same description into the Signature Set (with additional text) and it was accepted. So I'm going with the assumption that the 5000 character limit does not apply to the Signature Sets. Maybe there is a glitch in the system, I'm not sure. If there was a glitch, that might explain why the Registry Set would not display the Crylic characters and the Signature Set did. Hmmm, of course it's just as likely to have been something I did.

On 8/9/2020 at 12:03 PM, Revenant said:

you go into a lot of the finer details and security features

I don't expect many people to ready through the full descriptions but if someone has more than a casual interest in the series, the information is there for them and me for that matter. Sometimes it's just easier for me to look at my own descriptions in the registry rather than open the original documents on my computer. The main reason for an essentially duplicate Signature Set to a Registry Set, is so that I can give those fine  details to people who may be interested or are trying to identify a note. 

On 8/9/2020 at 12:03 PM, Revenant said:

with a lot of the finer, smaller details I feel like it can be hard to even see some of those things in the images we can put on the registry.

That is a pet peeve of mine, I wish we could post additional images in our descriptions. That would be sweet if people could add additional pictures, to help highlight what they are describing. For example there are a few notes where PMG does not call out a watermark but there is/are watermarks on the notes, a picture says a thousand words. Maybe even 5,000.

On 8/9/2020 at 12:03 PM, Revenant said:

So are you only adding notes to your signature set as you get descriptions ready? Because you have 140 slots, but hardly any notes in it (11) when I know you have like 50-60 Ukrainian notes in your competitive sets.

Yes, for now I'm adding notes to the signature set as I complete the descriptions, or at least have a rough draft of them. No reason for this other than it just seems easier for me to manage. 

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