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New Competitive Sets for Nationals Needed! Demand one Today!

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OK, I'm bored with 20 odd 'series of 1902 type' sets for my Nationals.  I've asked for some more sets, but the response was 'no sets for you...'  So, bored as I might be, I created my Series of 1902 Lowball Set.  Check it out:  sig.jpg
See if you can get lower than my score of 1082 for 3 notes, or an average of 360.67 pts/note.  You know the sad thing is my Tennessee set beats my Lowball set with 3 notes, 763 pts and an ave. of 254.33 pts/note, but that's because of net grades receiving just half point values.  See some awesome TN notes here:  sig.jpg

Reply with a link to your best of the worst--notes that did their service and then some!  And then you had the courage (and spare cash) to sent them to PMG for grading.  Please have at least one note preferably with a picture.

I'm not sure Net graded notes are fair in Lowball sets??  What do you think?  Would you like to see some more competitive sets for Nationals?  I know I would!  :devil:  :baiting:  :kidaround:

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I know you're dealing with 120 year old notes that are far rarer and more valuable but I got a bit of a laugh about "see if you can get lower than .. an average of 360.67 pts / note." Most of my Zimbabwe notes only get 37 to 50 points a note for 66 EPQ to 68 EPQ notes. I think I only have 2 notes in my ~85 note set that get more than 300 points for 1 note. But that's how it should be - those note are super common and easy to collect if you have any kind of decent budget and a little patience to not let dealers fleece you with their pumping rhetoric.

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I know a lot more about Zimbabwe because of your collection--they are beautiful notes.  Thanks for the reply!!

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2 hours ago, ddr70 said:

I know a lot more about Zimbabwe because of your collection--they are beautiful notes.

Thank you! I think that's the nicest thing that can be said of a registry set. :)

It's amazing to me  that you have, among other things, a radar note from 1902.

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That Knoxville, TN $20 note is a radar bank serial number and the charter number 10401 is a radar too!  Sheik has a date back on that charter which is a very tough Fr. # (well, it's just the top pop for an Fr. 596).  For some reason he won't sell it to me cheap :-)

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5 hours ago, ddr70 said:

For some reason he won't sell it to me cheap :-)

How uncharacteristically unreasonable of him. 😆 

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The easiest new set to implement has to be Large Size Nationals by Fr. #.  This info is already in the PMG database.  Sets for Originals, Series of 1875, 1882, and 1902 by Fr. # come to mind.  The old PCGS registry had sets for States and State Capital sets, large and small.  That's likely harder to implement as I think all that PMG has data-based is the charter number, so a lookup table by charter number likely is required to get to the bank info (i.e. state and city).  An A-Z Town name set would be nice.  Oh right, a lowball set could be interesting.

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The challenge with getting new competitive sets here would seem to be showing that there's demand for it and that the category will get participation. The more narrow you make a set, the more niche it is, the less likely they are to make it.

With that in mind, I think your first ideas could work but I doubt they'd make the state specific ones and you'd have to just implement that yourself - as you basically already have in 1902.

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I think there's demand for a lot more.  There was on the PCGS registry when it was running.  The problem is if you look at the chat boards, what you find is new user questions mostly.  If you look at responses to journal entries, well there's little.  People are busy and don't take the time to fuss (unlike me).  You have to log in a 2d time to comment (or give me a sad face, confused face, haha face, or a trophy-like).  Not worth the effort to put something out there.  So, if you look at https://www.pmgnotes.com/registry/, the banner says "The Ultimate Destination for Currency Collectors".  Not true when PCGS Currency Registry was around--it was better :baiting:.  Truer now that PCGS Currency is no longer (and I'm glad I adopted PMG more so than PCGS, but I have both).  Will the ANA have a currency registry like the coin side of the businesshm?  Anyhow, the "ultimate destination" would have already built out much more not just for nationals (I dabble in Canadian notes too and Canadian Charter bank notes).  More sets or change "ultimate destination" TO "mildly interesting destination" or "kinda boring, but we got no competition for now destination".

Oh, I need to mention another PCGS favorite of mine, the back plate number (bp).  PCGS recorded it (and occasionally they got it wrong).  If you pay $12 to $?? to have your note certified, you'd think the bp number would be noticed and added to the description of the note.  It ought to help verify authenticity.  PMG records bp #s on mules and the errors involving the bp #, but that's it.  Why not record bp #s from now on especially with the new look holders?  2c

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I feel like NGC gets all the love because that side is so much bigger (13,000 vs under 1,000) and they do more business over there. But things seem to have picked up with PMG in terms of submission rates in the last couple of years.

I'm hoping PMG will get the new-registry treatment and that both PMG and NGC will get a new, updated signature / custom set system in the new registries, and I'm hoping that will help make this place a little more appealing to more people. 

I think you get a cart and horse / chicken and egg problem though. It's hard to argue for them to make major investments in this place when it gets no traffic and doesn't drive much revenue, but unless they invest in it, it isn't likely to attract traffic or drive revenue - the r/Currency subreddit seems to get more love and traffic than this place some days and it's sad to me because Reddit tends to be pit. "Front page of the internet." Riiiiiight… talk about talking something up.

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PMG should definitely be more creative with more National sets. I think they would do the hobby a big favor to add more resources to PMG and think more out of the box regarding new sets. I would think they could build a state NBN set, city sets, regional, interesting name sets, all kinds that would attract all the NBN collectors. DDR70 has some great ideas in his signature sets. For instance the FR# set. I find I have to create another DUPLICATE set to continue to add the plethora of notes, for instance like the Type 1 $10 NBN that I seem to purchase in copious quantity. So many duplicate sets are boring! I guess us note collectors are the ugly little sister of the numismatic world. NGC has 15,647 registered coin sets whereas PMG has only 986 registered note sets, so perhaps there is no motivation. But there is such a rabid fan base of NBN collectors it sure seems like PMG would be more cognizant of the homely sister and her NBN's. 

Hey PMG!!! More NBN sets!!

 

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25 minutes ago, Sheik Sheck said:

 I find I have to create another DUPLICATE set to continue to add the plethora of notes, for instance like the Type 1 $10 NBN that I seem to purchase in copious quantity. So many duplicate sets are boring! 

Yeah. I definitely feel your pain there increasingly with my 3 first dollar sets, the 2 sets each for 2nd, 3rd and 4th dollars. We'll see how many I end up with! lol

You both have a lot of great Nationals. It's not ideal but it's not the worst problem to have!

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8 hours ago, Sheik Sheck said:

PMG should definitely be more creative with more National sets. I think they would do the hobby a big favor to add more resources to PMG and think more out of the box regarding new sets. I would think they could build a state NBN set, city sets, regional, interesting name sets, all kinds that would attract all the NBN collectors. DDR70 has some great ideas in his signature sets. For instance the FR# set. I find I have to create another DUPLICATE set to continue to add the plethora of notes, for instance like the Type 1 $10 NBN that I seem to purchase in copious quantity. So many duplicate sets are boring! I guess us note collectors are the ugly little sister of the numismatic world. NGC has 15,647 registered coin sets whereas PMG has only 986 registered note sets, so perhaps there is no motivation. But there is such a rabid fan base of NBN collectors it sure seems like PMG would be more cognizant of the homely sister and her NBN's. 

Hey PMG!!! More NBN sets!!

 

Yes, more! Thank you!  I had no idea coin sets to note sets was ~16 : 1.  It's about 2:1 for me.  I know NGC is giving lots of free grading away for top sets.  I'd like some of that from PMG.  I'm not sure the folks with the top sets on NGC really need free grading...???  And now I'm wondering how I get a look at Sheik's small size nationals collection?  Think about 10 bucks in the '30s.  My dad would hitch a goat up to a cart and with a buddy (whose father owned the grocery store) cart sodas and ice cream to road construction workers and sell them for a nickel.  Yep, they had a refrigerated goat cart (OK, ice box on cart with goat (une chevre)). They got to eat the ice cream that didn't sell.  Hmmm, I never asked him if he got liberty or shield nickels along with buffalo nickels in the Depression.  Probably got 5 beat up 'pennies'.

So do you focus on Texas or the Southwest for those ty. 1 $10s??  Is there a link to a signature set you could share???  Did you know your Knoxville Ch. 10401 note was a PMG top pop for that Fr. #596?  Too bad no extra points for rarity of the bank nor Fr. # for that #1 1902 type set of yours.  Over on NGC that would be like a semi-key 1908-S Indian Cent getting the same points as a 1908--coin collectors would scream!  [you scream, I scream we all scream for ice cream]lol

I've rambled on enough.  Here's my signature set of 1902 Nationals by Fr. #.  sig.jpg  That's got to be an easy set to add for PMG followed by the series of 1882 and then Originals and then all Large NBNs by Fr. #.

 

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