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Is this an error or a mule on a National?  My Salem, OH FNB Ch. # (M)43 Fr. 650 Lyons | Roberts SN 5227/V967961B pp A/315 PMG 30EPQ beautiful signatures by Cashier Church and Pres. Pow dated Apr 11, 1902.  Much more common with Speelman | White signatures as a plain back.  The back plate is 315.  Notes from this bank dated Apr 10, 1922 carry the Speelman | White signatures and $20s have known back plate numbers of 722 and 1018 (see below)

Fr. 661 SN 1481/Y322423E pp A/722
Fr. 661 SN 5147/Z451299H pp A bp not listed in census
Fr. 650 SN 5227/V967961B pp A/315
Fr. 661 SN 8430 pp A/1018

Since all the $20 examples are from the A plate, and $10s are from an A or C plate, I suspect sheets of 3 $10s and 1 $20 were ordered (see Heritage's Auction archives).  The low back plate number (315) is probably meaningless.  The bank SN of 5227 comes between 5147 and 8430, so I suspect the old plate with Lyons | Roberts signatures used for date backs was mistakenly placed back into service as more plain backs were printed.  Since I don't have access to a current National Bank Note Census, I don't know if there are any other plain backs known for Ch. 43 with Lyons | Roberts signatures.

You should be able to see my set of OH nationals here:  https://notes.www.collectors-society.com/registry/notes/MySets_Listing.aspx?PeopleSetID=16150&SelectedTab=SetListing

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A PMG Grading Kanban

In Japanese, a Kanban (看板)  is a signboard or billboard, but in lean manufacturing a Kanban is a scheduling system.  Submissions at PMG start out in a Received Status.  Then your notes move into a dreaded state, "scheduled for grading"; a purgatory for notes. You you eagerly await a status of Quality Control--if you're like me, you start checking every day after about 30 days.  Where are my notes submitted last October?  Purgatory.  Quality control means the notes made it to the end of the queue and were graded by PMG.  In my experience, notes move fairly quickly to Finalized/Imaged/Shipped and you can actually see your grades posted.  So what's the point of a Kanban? On the production floor workers and managers can see how progress is going.  And if a customer shows up on the production line, they have an idea of when they might receive product.  At a show, a customer submitting notes has an idea when the notes will return graded.  I think we need a Kanban for grading!  The metric could be by tier (economy is my tier), 'how long (on average of course) is it taking from Scheduled for Grading to Quality Control.'  Then, let me get a bit crazy here, send me an email (or let me subscribe to receive an email) so I know when the note emerges from scheduled for grading.  (Note:  I did receive an email when I was charged back in October which is good to know.)  If there was a Kanban, I'd have an idea whether or not I might see my notes before the new year.  Speaking of the new year, here's what the Union NB of New Castle, PA was doing in 1906--getting it's charter from the Registry of the Treasury.  You can just make out the date above the president's signature (Dec. 31, 1906).  My $20 is currently in purgatory and not in my Large Type Nationals series 1902 set :-(.  You can see all the sets competing in Lg Type Nat'ls of 1902 here:  https://notes.www.collectors-society.com/registry/notes/public_sets.aspx?CategoryID=950&SetTypeID=3316  (my PA notes are #7)...  Happy holidays :-)!




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Salem, OH Charter 43 sequential serial numbers

I've managed to reunite an interesting pair of $20 Plain Backs from Salem, OH, Charter 43.  Both were acquired in Baltimore from different dealers about 6 months apart.  So far these are the only two PBs with Lyons | Roberts signature combinations or Fr. 650 and dated Apr. 11, 1902 just like charter 43 date backs.  Other $20 PBs that I can find have Speelman | White signatures or Fr. 635 and are dated Apr 10, 1922 (note:  Track and Price doesn't identify the Fr. #).  The Serial numbers are 5226/V967960B (back plate 325) and 5227/V967961B (back plate 315).  Both are from A plates as are all $20s on Ch. 43 notes.  Now, why would the back plates differ?  A prior owner submitted these two notes together to PMG.  I like these notes because of the low charter number, interesting Fr. # possibilities (rarities), pretty penned signatures of bank officers W.F. Church and Z.R. Pow, sequential serial numbers (of course) and in the exact same grade of 30EPQ.  Let me know if you owned these before, or if you have any insight into why the back plate numbers would differ.




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Oswego County, NY Nationals

By accident, I've become of fan of these small towns along I-81! Just added an 1882 Value Back $20 from Mexico, NY. It joins my Albion, NY notes. Albion is England and Mexico is typically known for its beaches and sun, not so much for its lakes. Look for these town names when you are on I-81, but don't blink! Notes are in my Signature set of Nationals along with a few better PA notes. I'd love to add other Mexico NY (and other states) nationals to my collection. Happy Collecting! To see old comments for this Journal entry, click here. New comments can be added below.




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Nationals Submitted on my 5 free grading coupon

Two first name PA notes, one with the tougher Napier-Thompson signatures. Two tough 1929 $5 notes from my parents and one $10 I accidentally won at auction. The accidental auction win was one of those internet delays and my bid was stacked on top of a number of others and mine came out on top--a couple hundred more that I expected to pay. Still it's a tough National out of Albion, New York where small size notes are outnumbered by the known large size notes (any West Bromwich fans?). The First name notes are Warren and Chester--PA notes as I mentioned. The Warren note is an Fr. 603 and should grade closer to 40 than 20... I hope. Chester is a $20 Date Back, one of two in the census. It's going to get a net grade for pinholes, but I wanted it in a PMG holder for my competitive set. I'll post the notes in a set when they are finished. To see old comments for this Journal entry, click here. New comments can be added below.